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Logs of the meeting in #vikidia-en.

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Note: Due to problems with my (Southparkfan) internet connection, a few messages are missing. Also I removed joins/quits.

[2014-02-14 20:14:28] <Antoine83381> I am speach french
[2014-02-14 20:14:35] <Southparkfan> http://en.vikidia.org/wiki/Vikidia:IRC/Meeting_14-02-2014
[2014-02-14 20:14:36] <Antoine83381> *speak
[2014-02-14 20:14:52] <Astirmays> So who will take care that we cover avary subject we planed to ?
[2014-02-14 20:15:07] <Lolo7433> What do you think about the main page ?
[2014-02-14 20:15:21] <Rome2> There should be a opening date earlier than August
[2014-02-14 20:15:21] <Southparkfan> Okay.
[2014-02-14 20:15:31] <Southparkfan> Much earlier than August.
[2014-02-14 20:15:55] <Southparkfan> Okay...
[2014-02-14 20:16:12] <Southparkfan> First question.
[2014-02-14 20:16:21] <Rome2> After opening in my opinion, must be decided by the developers because it is they who have the most work to do
[2014-02-14 20:16:24] <Astirmays> 2 weeks can be good wouldn't it ?
[2014-02-14 20:16:28] <Southparkfan> At this moment sysops have checkuser-log-right
[2014-02-14 20:16:31] <Southparkfan> Yes looks good.
[2014-02-14 20:16:40] <Astirmays> That's what I told in an interview for Framablog
[2014-02-14 20:16:45] <Southparkfan> Why do they have them?
[2014-02-14 20:16:53] <Rome2> Astirmays: Why not
[2014-02-14 20:17:06] <Astirmays> Southparkfan: really ?? I didn't know that
[2014-02-14 20:17:28] <Southparkfan> http://en.vikidia.org/wiki/Special:ListGroupRights#sysop
[2014-02-14 20:17:38] <Southparkfan> View spam blacklist log (spamblacklistlog)
[2014-02-14 20:17:38] <Southparkfan> View the checkuser log (checkuser-log)
[2014-02-14 20:17:38] <Rome2> No, sysop, should not have access to CU, too risky
[2014-02-14 20:17:41] <Astirmays> By default, we'll make it in the same way as Vikidia in french
[2014-02-14 20:17:45] <Sepp> sorry, but i have to eat
[2014-02-14 20:17:54] <Southparkfan> It's only the log Rome2 ;)
[2014-02-14 20:18:00] =-= Sepp is now known as Sepp-is-eating
[2014-02-14 20:18:03] <Rome2> Ah ok
[2014-02-14 20:18:24] <Southparkfan> But why should sysop need it?
[2014-02-14 20:18:39] <Linedwell> FYI Rome2, even on wikipedia sysops have spamblacklistlog
[2014-02-14 20:18:57] <Southparkfan> Spamblacklistlog is understandable 
[2014-02-14 20:19:02] <Linedwell> because this is sysops who adds websites to spamblacklist
[2014-02-14 20:19:18] <Rome2> Yes, but I thought it was access to CU
[2014-02-14 20:19:20] |<-- Antoine83381 has left freenode (Excess Flood)
[2014-02-14 20:19:25] <Astirmays> I think we will change it
[2014-02-14 20:19:35] <Linedwell> Total support
[2014-02-14 20:19:42] <Southparkfan> With CheckUserLog people can see who performed CheckUsers, on who they performed them and so on.
[2014-02-14 20:19:44] <Linedwell> it could be a privacy breach
[2014-02-14 20:20:00] <Southparkfan> As far as I know, sysops can't see any CheckUser-results
[2014-02-14 20:20:30] <Southparkfan> No privacy policy?
[2014-02-14 20:20:41] <Linedwell> but seeing all logs gives clues on the results :)
[2014-02-14 20:21:17] <Linedwell> Normally, only CU (Bureaucrats) had this right, it's probably a configuration mistake
[2014-02-14 20:21:38] <Linedwell> We'll have to let a message to Vivi who'll correct this ASAP
[2014-02-14 20:21:54] <Southparkfan> Everyone who has experience of the CheckUser-extension and has access to the logs don't need even the right sometimes to conclude who is using sockpuppets and from which IP (If that is Checkusered)
[2014-02-14 20:22:05] <Southparkfan> Plyd can also do that
[2014-02-14 20:22:21] <Linedwell> Yes, but plyd is less active than Vivi
[2014-02-14 20:22:23] <Astirmays> Southparkfan: atually, when you check an user, you will check just after the IP he used, so you gat some (not all) the information) qith the log only
[2014-02-14 20:22:29] <Antoine8338> I think we can run Vikidia English debut in March
[2014-02-14 20:22:38] <Southparkfan> Exactly Astirmays.
[2014-02-14 20:23:05] <Rome2> For me, the action must remain at CU bureaucrats, but administrators could see
[2014-02-14 20:23:31] <Linedwell> seeing logs (and so IPs) is a privacy breach, Rome2
[2014-02-14 20:23:31] <Southparkfan> I can understand that sysops may need some private information in a few cases
[2014-02-14 20:23:37] <Southparkfan> But not 24/7 in all cases
[2014-02-14 20:24:16] <Southparkfan> And rights attached to the developergroup...
[2014-02-14 20:24:26] <Southparkfan> checkuser, but not checkuser-log?
[2014-02-14 20:24:32] <Rome2> Yes, what is private must obviously remain
[2014-02-14 20:25:02] <Astirmays> checkuser is more powerfull than just access to the log !
[2014-02-14 20:25:07] <Southparkfan> Indeed.
[2014-02-14 20:25:23] <Linedwell> but the log should remains private too
[2014-02-14 20:25:27] <Southparkfan> You can query the IP-addresses, UserAgents of hundreds of users
[2014-02-14 20:25:29] <Linedwell> not only the sysop tool
[2014-02-14 20:26:06] <Southparkfan> Can someone forward the problem to Plyd/Vivi-1?
[2014-02-14 20:26:11] <Astirmays> we need that more thn one CU can see the log,
[2014-02-14 20:26:12] <Linedwell> yes
[2014-02-14 20:26:19] <Astirmays> it's usually the other CU
[2014-02-14 20:26:22] <Linedwell> I will, Southparkfan
[2014-02-14 20:26:23] <Southparkfan> Astirmays can fix it I thought
[2014-02-14 20:26:33] <Linedwell> nope
[2014-02-14 20:26:40] <Linedwell> he do not have access to the database
[2014-02-14 20:26:57] <Southparkfan> I thought everyone of the "board" has access
[2014-02-14 20:26:59] <Linedwell> (rights are set in the config files, there is no interface to set rights)
[2014-02-14 20:27:03] <Astirmays> or I may have but I don't know how to do ;-)
[2014-02-14 20:27:09] <Southparkfan> FTP :)
[2014-02-14 20:28:08] <Southparkfan> Astirmays: Does Plyd come on IRC?
[2014-02-14 20:28:43] <Astirmays> well, he gat a mail I think but probably not
[2014-02-14 20:28:49] <Southparkfan> Phone?
[2014-02-14 20:29:15] <Southparkfan> Yes.. ehm
[2014-02-14 20:29:23] <Southparkfan> Vikidia's skin
[2014-02-14 20:29:25] <Antoine8338> I have an idea for a new slogan for Vikidia
[2014-02-14 20:29:25] <Antoine8338> Slogan: Conservapedia is YOUR encyclopedia
[2014-02-14 20:29:50] <Astirmays> No I won't phone him right now, he may spend his evening somehow else
[2014-02-14 20:29:53] <Southparkfan> French Vikidia has their own skin.
[2014-02-14 20:30:13] <Astirmays> Antoine8338: don't use an automatic translator
[2014-02-14 20:30:29] <Southparkfan> What is a Conservapedia?
[2014-02-14 20:30:51] <Astirmays> Southparkfan: do you have a think about the skin en.vd should have ?
[2014-02-14 20:31:01] <Antoine8338>    What do you think?
[2014-02-14 20:31:12] <Southparkfan> fr.vd has a purple skin.
[2014-02-14 20:31:14] <Linedwell> Southparkfan, http://fr.vikidia.org/wiki/Vikidia:Tickets/20140214192846 << I left a ticket for the rights
[2014-02-14 20:31:25] <Astirmays> Southparkfan: conservapedia is the automatic translation of Vikidia with Google...
[2014-02-14 20:31:31] <Southparkfan> Highest priority Linedwell?
[2014-02-14 20:31:37] <Southparkfan> Or what means that red color
[2014-02-14 20:32:01] <Linedwell> red color means "bug"
[2014-02-14 20:32:11] <Lolo7433> I can help for the CSS
[2014-02-14 20:32:12] <Linedwell> so yes, it's for "high priority issues"
[2014-02-14 20:32:34] <Southparkfan> Oh, I see that fr.vd does not have the Vikidia-skin anymore
[2014-02-14 20:32:55] <Lolo7433> What is the matter ?
[2014-02-14 20:33:09] <Southparkfan> And the mainpage of all vikidia's (http://vikidia.org) looks offline
[2014-02-14 20:33:24] <comedia> let's start the mmeting
[2014-02-14 20:33:25] <Linedwell> on my side, it works
[2014-02-14 20:34:19] <comedia> let's start the mmeting"!!!!
[2014-02-14 20:34:25] <Rome2> I can help translating the help pages of Vikidia
[2014-02-14 20:34:33] <Astirmays> comedia: well, we have starded !
[2014-02-14 20:34:35] <comedia> a thing
[2014-02-14 20:34:36] <Astirmays> started
[2014-02-14 20:34:37] <comedia> start
[2014-02-14 20:34:46] <comedia> but I am not here
[2014-02-14 20:34:59] <comedia> !
[2014-02-14 20:35:09] <Astirmays> so, for the skin, you may create a page to discuss it
[2014-02-14 20:35:10] <Southparkfan> I can help with the translations also.
[2014-02-14 20:35:11] <Rome2> The help pages on VDen seem to miss
[2014-02-14 20:35:17] <comedia> I
[2014-02-14 20:35:20] <Linedwell> yes Rome2
[2014-02-14 20:35:26] <Southparkfan> And about the Privacy Policy we don't know anything.
[2014-02-14 20:35:29] <Astirmays> It needs to be thinked about, worked on
[2014-02-14 20:35:32] <comedia> Plase, could  you tell me the things that you speak
[2014-02-14 20:35:46] <Linedwell> we just spoke about a "right issue" comedia
[2014-02-14 20:35:48] <Rome2> Ok Linedwell in this case, I will try to create a few
[2014-02-14 20:35:52] <Astirmays> comedia: Southparkfan will publish it on the wiki
[2014-02-14 20:36:27] <comedia> ok
[2014-02-14 20:36:38] <Astirmays> so you said we don't have any page to tell about the privacy policy on the wiki ?
[2014-02-14 20:36:45] <comedia> when we will open en.vikidia
[2014-02-14 20:36:51] <Astirmays> We have to check it and make this page
[2014-02-14 20:36:53] <Southparkfan> I can't find a privacy policy on en.vd.
[2014-02-14 20:37:06] <Astirmays> Southparkfan: ok
[2014-02-14 20:37:46] <Astirmays> Can you put somewhere the titles of all the missing pages ?
[2014-02-14 20:37:52] <Southparkfan> I will look at it.
[2014-02-14 20:37:58] <Astirmays> so we can remember and create them
[2014-02-14 20:38:10] <Linedwell> even on fr, VD:Privacy doesn't talk about the CheckUser tool usage
[2014-02-14 20:38:12] <Astirmays> I will create the one on the privacy policy
[2014-02-14 20:38:21] <comedia> please, start again
[2014-02-14 20:38:30] <Astirmays> unless you someone really ask to do it !
[2014-02-14 20:38:34] <Linedwell> that's why we couldn't translate it into the others languages
[2014-02-14 20:38:36] <Southparkfan> Altough most of us don't need it, I think children don't like the default editor.
[2014-02-14 20:38:51] <comedia> and what about the visual editor
[2014-02-14 20:38:56] <Rome2> (20:36:57) comedia: when we will open en.vikidia -> Certainly in 2 weeks
[2014-02-14 20:38:59] <Linedwell> the VE is bugged
[2014-02-14 20:39:10] <Linedwell> it shouldn't be deployed while not fixed
[2014-02-14 20:39:18] <Rome2> I am against VE, too many bugs
[2014-02-14 20:39:31] <Linedwell> (even on Wikipedia, it carries more bugs than good stuff)
[2014-02-14 20:39:43] <comedia> I think
[2014-02-14 20:39:50] <Southparkfan> [20:39]	Rome2	I am against VE, too many bugs <- I agree
[2014-02-14 20:39:56] <comedia> that visualeditor will be well
[2014-02-14 20:40:03] <comedia> if we don't do like wp
[2014-02-14 20:40:03] <Linedwell> so we have to wait a stable version, before thinking about that
[2014-02-14 20:40:13] <Rome2> Thanks, Southparkfan, and EV too hard to use
[2014-02-14 20:40:40] <Southparkfan> Editing pages must be easy
[2014-02-14 20:40:52] <comedia> for new users not
[2014-02-14 20:40:58] <Sepp_> re
[2014-02-14 20:41:31] <Sepp_> what have you said? opening of en.vikidia?
[2014-02-14 20:41:35] <Astirmays> I think that a nice skin is more valuable than the VE
[2014-02-14 20:41:40] <Southparkfan> You'll see it at the wiki
[2014-02-14 20:41:43] <Rome2> comedia: Yes, but these are the worst because they let hang errors and beautiful mistakes
[2014-02-14 20:42:06] <Sepp_> please, if vikidia will use ve i make a suicide
[2014-02-14 20:42:15] <Rome2> +1 with Astirmays
[2014-02-14 20:42:20] <Antoine8338> I think it must be an advertising campaign for Vikidia English
[2014-02-14 20:42:21] <Sepp_> is too difficuld for children
[2014-02-14 20:42:33] <Southparkfan> Default editor also
[2014-02-14 20:42:37] <comedia> Sepp: I don't care your life
[2014-02-14 20:42:45] >comedia< Come on...
[2014-02-14 20:42:46] <Astirmays> children don't have so much trouble with the wiki code, writing itself is quite difficult for them
[2014-02-14 20:42:53] <comedia> +1
[2014-02-14 20:42:56] <Astirmays> and adding images
[2014-02-14 20:43:15] <Sepp_> Astiemays, ok, but isn't the moment for VeE
[2014-02-14 20:43:16] <comedia> many childrends dont know edit
[2014-02-14 20:43:17] <Southparkfan> The toolbar is handy
[2014-02-14 20:43:22] <Sepp_> VE
[2014-02-14 20:43:26] <Rome2> The wikicode is less risky to me and easier because you get used
[2014-02-14 20:43:54] <comedia> I thing if we do a beuatiful VE will be good
[2014-02-14 20:44:34] <Astirmays> so we spoke about a missing page (privacy policy) can you think of other ones ?
[2014-02-14 20:44:58] <Southparkfan> Disclaimer.
[2014-02-14 20:45:10] <comedia> a thing
[2014-02-14 20:45:21] <Astirmays> let's create [[vd:pages to do]]
[2014-02-14 20:45:22] <Rome2> Not agree, put the VE is lead to a muddle not possible
[2014-02-14 20:45:22] <Rome2> In addition, if the developers cann't make Wikimedia correct EV, then we will look at it for what?
[2014-02-14 20:45:42] <Southparkfan> They're busy with the extension
[2014-02-14 20:45:44] <comedia> do you speak about global acounnts
[2014-02-14 20:45:46] <comedia> ?
[2014-02-14 20:45:50] <Southparkfan> Central?
[2014-02-14 20:45:57] <Linedwell> not yet comedia
[2014-02-14 20:45:59] <Astirmays> comedia: no
[2014-02-14 20:46:04] <Astirmays> not yet
[2014-02-14 20:46:09] <Linedwell> Global Account already have been discussed
[2014-02-14 20:46:09] <Antoine8338> Rome2 I speak to you in private
[2014-02-14 20:46:12] <Linedwell> and accepted
[2014-02-14 20:46:13] <Southparkfan> SUL
[2014-02-14 20:46:20] <Rome2> comedia: The SUL must take place, but I do not know where is Vivi-1
[2014-02-14 20:46:24] <Southparkfan> Let's first concentrate us on the English Vikidia
[2014-02-14 20:46:44] <Astirmays> and it may not be a core subject tonight (global account), we'll make it when the developpers can
[2014-02-14 20:46:51] <Rome2> Antoine8338: I know, but don't want to meet you, sorry
[2014-02-14 20:46:56] <Linedwell> Rome2, he is encountering some configuration issues, the SUL extension is not really good documented
[2014-02-14 20:47:04] <comedia> well, Vivi-1 is not here
[2014-02-14 20:47:27] <Linedwell> all usefull things will be said to him
[2014-02-14 20:47:30] <Sepp_> so, comedia?
[2014-02-14 20:47:40] <Rome2> Linedwell: Ok, I understand the delay in this case
[2014-02-14 20:47:42] <Linedwell> I already opened a ticket for the first issue we found
[2014-02-14 20:47:42] <Southparkfan> Vivi-1 isn't the only developer
[2014-02-14 20:47:52] <Southparkfan> Security issue 
[2014-02-14 20:47:54] <comedia> Is there any developer?
[2014-02-14 20:48:17] <Rome2> Southparkfan: No, but the more active ;)
[2014-02-14 20:48:27] <Linedwell> that's why I opened a ticket, to allow any dev to handle it
[2014-02-14 20:48:41] <Southparkfan> The problem isn't so big yet
[2014-02-14 20:48:59] <Antoine8338> Rome2 Why?
[2014-02-14 20:48:59] <Southparkfan> But the RfA (request for administrator) makes it a big problem
[2014-02-14 20:49:41] <comedia> why?
[2014-02-14 20:50:05] <Southparkfan> Delay.
[2014-02-14 20:50:13] <Rome2> Antoine8338: It's out of Conservapedia, but about vandalism in IP over WP
[2014-02-14 20:50:15] <Southparkfan> The vote ends on the 17th?
[2014-02-14 20:50:34] <Linedwell> for Comedia ?
[2014-02-14 20:50:36] <Linedwell> the 16
[2014-02-14 20:50:43] <Linedwell> it opened the 9th
[2014-02-14 20:50:54] <Sepp_> 9+7=16
[2014-02-14 20:50:58] <comedia> @Rome2: conservapedia it's an other wiki
[2014-02-14 20:51:00] <Astirmays> Rome2: do you also use an automaatic translator or just quote Antoine ?
[2014-02-14 20:51:07] <Southparkfan> If the problem is solved on the 26th, and the bureaucrats don't want to give you your sysopflag until the problem is solved there is a delay.
[2014-02-14 20:51:22] <comedia> but I can't edit for a week
[2014-02-14 20:51:45] <Sepp_> you can be on holyday
[2014-02-14 20:52:03] <comedia> it's not holiday
[2014-02-14 20:52:22] <Astirmays> Southparkfan: I didn't understand
[2014-02-14 20:52:24] <Sepp_> i know, but if you don't edit you have a lot of freetime
[2014-02-14 20:52:42] <comedia> it's a scholarship to Italy
[2014-02-14 20:52:57] <Southparkfan> And there isn't a policy for sysops yet
[2014-02-14 20:53:17] <comedia> so,
[2014-02-14 20:53:48] <comedia> the sysop can be sysop from 300 contributions, 2 weeks
[2014-02-14 20:53:50] <Sepp_> on it.viki we're creating a little policy
[2014-02-14 20:53:50] <Antoine8338> Uh no I vendalise plus.Sur Wikipedia because in fact if I start I could not stop myself
[2014-02-14 20:54:07] <Sepp_> sur wikipedia in facr?
[2014-02-14 20:54:08] <Southparkfan> 300 contributions in 2 weeks Comedia?
[2014-02-14 20:54:11] <Sepp_> *fact
[2014-02-14 20:54:41] <Southparkfan> That are 24 edits in one day.
[2014-02-14 20:54:56] <comedia> oh no
[2014-02-14 20:55:08] <comedia> 300 contribution and 2 weeks
[2014-02-14 20:55:16] <comedia> and 5 articles
[2014-02-14 20:55:18] <Astirmays> Southparkfan: not to have a policy for sysops yet is not a big problem
[2014-02-14 20:55:19] <Southparkfan> registered?
[2014-02-14 20:55:27] <Southparkfan> Not yet Astirmays :)
[2014-02-14 20:55:29] <comedia> yes, too
[2014-02-14 20:55:35] <comedia> and be active
[2014-02-14 20:55:46] <Southparkfan> Why 5 articles?
[2014-02-14 20:55:51] <Sepp_> boh
[2014-02-14 20:56:05] <Sepp_> there are sysops that haven't create any article
[2014-02-14 20:56:06] <comedia> bceause yes
[2014-02-14 20:56:16] <Sepp_> yes isn't a good reason
[2014-02-14 20:56:25] <comedia> in es.vikidia
[2014-02-14 20:56:31] <comedia> wee have that rule
[2014-02-14 20:56:32] <Southparkfan> I'm not experienced in creating articles.
[2014-02-14 20:56:41] <comedia> it's good correct article
[2014-02-14 20:56:53] <comedia> so, 1 article
[2014-02-14 20:57:05] <comedia> or nothing
[2014-02-14 20:57:14] <Sepp_> is really important create an article for be sysop?
[2014-02-14 20:57:19] <Southparkfan> Yes.
[2014-02-14 20:57:23] <Southparkfan> Wait
[2014-02-14 20:57:26] <Linedwell> nope
[2014-02-14 20:57:27] <Sepp_> why?
[2014-02-14 20:57:31] <Southparkfan> Yes = I agree with that question
[2014-02-14 20:57:36] <Sepp_> why spf?
[2014-02-14 20:57:39] <Sepp_> ah
[2014-02-14 20:57:39] <Linedwell> sysop is just a maintenance tools
[2014-02-14 20:57:58] <Rome2> Astirmays: I said with Antoine8338
[2014-02-14 20:57:59] <comedia> and what abot ru.vikidia (dead)
[2014-02-14 20:57:59] <Sepp_> this talk is too fast
[2014-02-14 20:58:04] <Linedwell> the only motivation should be the need of the tools, not being a "medal"
[2014-02-14 20:58:11] <Southparkfan> Creating an good article is much difficulter than blocking an IP-adress
[2014-02-14 20:58:16] <Southparkfan> IP-address*
[2014-02-14 20:58:29] <comedia> and what abot ru.vikidia (dead)
[2014-02-14 20:58:35] <Rome2> And he influenced me the word searching phrase
[2014-02-14 20:58:44] <Astirmays> well well !!
[2014-02-14 20:58:55] <Astirmays> "the topics are: "
[2014-02-14 20:59:11] <Astirmays> "Opening of Vikidia; are there any issues that should be solved before Vikidia opens? What are these issues and how do we solve them? Should we take any actions (like more admins, some filters (AbuseFilter extension), etc.) "
[2014-02-14 20:59:33] <Southparkfan> Oh that.
[2014-02-14 20:59:54] <comedia> and what abot ru.vikidia (dead)
[2014-02-14 20:59:59] <Rome2> Astirmays: the opening of VDen is in two weeks if all goes well ?
[2014-02-14 20:59:59] <Linedwell> basic filters (to prevent spambots) already have been deployed (by myself)
[2014-02-14 21:00:06] <Southparkfan> I am 100% against nonsense requirements 
[2014-02-14 21:00:17] <Sepp_> so, can we speak about abusefilter?
[2014-02-14 21:00:20] <Linedwell> about additionnal filters, it will be seen once opened (if needed or not)
[2014-02-14 21:00:25] <Astirmays> Rome2: yes
[2014-02-14 21:00:41] <Southparkfan> http://en.vikidia.org/wiki/Special:AbuseLog/2
[2014-02-14 21:00:41] <Sepp_> we've got abusefilters on it.vikidia, against spam, but we need other filters
[2014-02-14 21:00:43] <Southparkfan> @Linedwell
[2014-02-14 21:00:58] <Linedwell> yes Southparkfan ?
[2014-02-14 21:01:46] <Southparkfan> False-positive.
[2014-02-14 21:02:46] <Southparkfan> Hum
[2014-02-14 21:02:51] <Southparkfan> My internet connection failed.
[2014-02-14 21:03:00] <Southparkfan> Anything said between my quit and join?
[2014-02-14 21:03:01] <Rome2> ^^
[2014-02-14 21:03:06] <Linedwell> well as I said Southparkfan
[2014-02-14 21:03:10] <comedia> what about ru vikidia? and we will create an other proeyct of vikidia?
[2014-02-14 21:03:28] <Sepp_> comedia, wait!
[2014-02-14 21:03:28] <comedia> no
[2014-02-14 21:03:28] <Linedwell> the filter have been raised because of a missuse of the <br> tag
[2014-02-14 21:04:02] <Southparkfan> What is this
[2014-02-14 21:04:03] <Sepp_> we speak abou re after
[2014-02-14 21:04:03] <comedia> I don't have idea of that
[2014-02-14 21:04:06] <Linedwell> Southparkfan, <Linedwell> the filter have been raised because of a missuse of the <br> tag
[2014-02-14 21:04:12] <Southparkfan> Second time in 0.0 seconds
[2014-02-14 21:04:23] <Southparkfan> It's a misuse yes
[2014-02-14 21:04:40] <comedia> [21:03] == Southparkfan [[email protected]/Southparkfan] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[2014-02-14 21:04:41] <Linedwell> <br> tag shouldn't be used in articles
[2014-02-14 21:04:41] <comedia> [21:03] == Southparkfan [[email protected]/Southparkfan] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[2014-02-14 21:05:19] <Southparkfan> Lol
[2014-02-14 21:05:22] <Southparkfan> ..
[2014-02-14 21:05:37] <Rome2> Hello (x222222) :D
[2014-02-14 21:05:39] <Linedwell> well, did you received my answer Southparkfan ?
[2014-02-14 21:05:49] <Southparkfan> [21:04]	Linedwell	<br> tag shouldn't be used in articles <- That?
[2014-02-14 21:05:54] <Linedwell> yes
[2014-02-14 21:06:04] <Sepp_> Southparkfan your conection fa cagare
[2014-02-14 21:06:06] <Linedwell> and: <Linedwell> the filter have been raised because of a missuse of the <br> tag
[2014-02-14 21:06:26] <Southparkfan> Yes
[2014-02-14 21:06:40] <Linedwell> (br tags + external links are the signature of spambots, that's why the filter have been raised)
[2014-02-14 21:06:52] <Southparkfan> Indeed
[2014-02-14 21:07:51] <Astirmays> then :
[2014-02-14 21:07:56] <Astirmays> "Time for staff and 'normal users' to discuss their other problems; is there something that don't satisfy them? "
[2014-02-14 21:08:16] <Astirmays> whazt do you mean Southparkfan ?
[2014-02-14 21:08:31] <Southparkfan> Ehm
[2014-02-14 21:08:45] <Astirmays> still the question "is there something that don't satisfy them?" is interesting
[2014-02-14 21:09:06] <Southparkfan> (Example: Did a sysop blocked a user and isn't there a good reason for it?)\
[2014-02-14 21:09:30] <Linedwell> on en ?
[2014-02-14 21:10:16] <Linedwell> for information, the BlockList on en is quite empty
[2014-02-14 21:10:21] <Astirmays> Southparkfan we have : http://en.vikidia.org/wiki/Vikidia:Basic_principles
[2014-02-14 21:10:36] <Astirmays> "Good manners"
[2014-02-14 21:10:38] <Linedwell> except the Antoine8338's sockpuppet, blocked on his own request
[2014-02-14 21:10:49] <Astirmays> "Rules and policy"
[2014-02-14 21:11:21] <Astirmays> "Vikidia has policies and guidelines. Apart from the general principles, they can be interpreted and evolve over time. On points that haven't been discussed, established or decided else, the guidelines of Wikipedia in english should be the reference."
[2014-02-14 21:11:31] <Southparkfan> When may the 'crats and CU's perform a CheckUser?
[2014-02-14 21:12:16] <comedia> a thing
[2014-02-14 21:12:24] <Southparkfan> What?
[2014-02-14 21:12:25] <comedia> burecrauts are checkuser too?
[2014-02-14 21:12:28] <Astirmays> Southparkfannot too often ;-)
[2014-02-14 21:12:32] <Linedwell> yes comedia
[2014-02-14 21:12:40] <Linedwell> only the "global bureaucrats"
[2014-02-14 21:12:50] <Astirmays> seriously, we'll may write down a policy
[2014-02-14 21:12:56] <Linedwell> regular bureaucrat doesn't have the CU flag
[2014-02-14 21:13:05] <Southparkfan> I'm eh.. (he what is that English word?)
[2014-02-14 21:13:26] <Astirmays> for the moment, we can use the same rules and habits we have on vikidia in french
[2014-02-14 21:13:28] <Southparkfan> Nevermind.
[2014-02-14 21:13:38] <comedia> es.vikidia only have 1 checkuser
[2014-02-14 21:13:53] <Linedwell> this is enough for the moment
[2014-02-14 21:13:53] <comedia> fr I don't know
[2014-02-14 21:14:01] <comedia> I know
[2014-02-14 21:14:08] <Southparkfan> es.vikidia doesn't need more :)
[2014-02-14 21:14:34] <comedia> what about ru.vikidia? We willl create a new version of vikidia?
[2014-02-14 21:14:40] <Southparkfan> System messages: are some of them too difficult?
[2014-02-14 21:14:43] <Astirmays> on it.vd, some users asked that there is 2 or 3 CU to check each other...
[2014-02-14 21:15:09] <comedia> what about ru.vikidia? We willl create a new version of vikidia?
[2014-02-14 21:15:20] <Southparkfan> ru.vikidia is inactive
[2014-02-14 21:15:28] <Southparkfan> I think it can be even closed
[2014-02-14 21:15:42] <Linedwell> southparkfan, if you find some SM that should be improved, give me the list and your replacement idea :)
[2014-02-14 21:15:42] <comedia> :(
[2014-02-14 21:16:31] <Southparkfan> Gadgets.
[2014-02-14 21:17:04] <comedia> I will write a msg to ru.wikipedia!
[2014-02-14 21:17:06] <Southparkfan> "Below is a list of special gadgets you can enable for your account. These gadgets are mostly based on JavaScript, so JavaScript has to be enabled in your browser for them to work. Note that these gadgets will have no effect on this preferences page. Also note that these special gadgets are not part of the MediaWiki software, and are usually developed and maintained by users on your local...
[2014-02-14 21:17:06] <Southparkfan> ...wiki. Local administrators can edit the definitions and descriptions of available gadgets." <- Too much information?
[2014-02-14 21:17:28] <comedia> We willl create a new version of vikidia?
[2014-02-14 21:17:45] <Linedwell> do you have any sugestion southparkfan ?
[2014-02-14 21:17:45] <Sepp_> comedia isn't the moment
[2014-02-14 21:18:06] <Southparkfan> Ehm
[2014-02-14 21:18:27] <comedia> ehm
[2014-02-14 21:19:11] <Southparkfan> "Below is a list of special gadgets you can enable for your account. These gadgets are mostly based on JavaScript, so JavaScript has to be enabled in your browser for them to work. Also note that these special gadgets are not part of the MediaWiki software, and are usually developed and maintained by users on the English Vikidia. Administators can edit the gadgets if needed."
[2014-02-14 21:19:23] <Linedwell> 'k
[2014-02-14 21:19:57] <Linedwell> (letting "definition" and "descriptions" was great to refind both pages)
[2014-02-14 21:20:10] <Southparkfan> http://en.vikidia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadgets-prefstext
[2014-02-14 21:20:11] <comedia> give a momment
[2014-02-14 21:20:30] <Southparkfan> Adding the parameter uselang=qqx is useful Linedwell :)
[2014-02-14 21:20:49] <Linedwell> I know this trick southparkfan :)
[2014-02-14 21:21:17] <Linedwell> http://en.vikidia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadgets-prefstext (I let both links)
[2014-02-14 21:21:59] <Southparkfan> The section Signature in the preferences.
[2014-02-14 21:22:08] <Southparkfan> Maybe add infomation how to create a new signature?
[2014-02-14 21:22:34] <Southparkfan> I could translate my own guide.
[2014-02-14 21:22:42] <Linedwell> you mean a link to an help page ?
[2014-02-14 21:22:45] <Southparkfan> Yes.
[2014-02-14 21:22:49] <Linedwell> (like on most of Wikipedia)
[2014-02-14 21:22:50] <Linedwell> 'k
[2014-02-14 21:22:58] >Linedwell< http://wikikids.wiki.kennisnet.nl/Gebruiker:Southparkfan/Portaal/Handtekening_maken I can translate this
[2014-02-14 21:23:39] <Southparkfan> Linedwell: Link to Vikidia:Signature ;)
[2014-02-14 21:23:54] <Linedwell> yes
[2014-02-14 21:23:59] <Southparkfan> MediaWiki:prefs-help-signature
[2014-02-14 21:24:01] <Linedwell> I'm searching the message :p
[2014-02-14 21:24:13] <Southparkfan> ^^
[2014-02-14 21:24:17] <Linedwell> thanks
[2014-02-14 21:24:44] <Linedwell> mmh, not this one
[2014-02-14 21:24:48] <Astirmays> ok, I won't stay here for hours actually !
[2014-02-14 21:25:02] <Southparkfan> Comments on talk pages should be signed with "~~~~", which will be converted into your signature and a timestamp. See [[Vikidia:Signature|here]] for a guide.
[2014-02-14 21:25:05] <Astirmays> that was a good idea to have a meeting
[2014-02-14 21:25:07] <Linedwell> if there any other problems, says :)
[2014-02-14 21:25:14] <Linedwell> +are
[2014-02-14 21:26:47] <Southparkfan> Maybe you can change the text Linedwell ?
[2014-02-14 21:27:05] <Linedwell> done southparkfan
[2014-02-14 21:27:22] <Linedwell> was taking my medicine
[2014-02-14 21:27:40] <Southparkfan> ok
[2014-02-14 21:29:52] <Comedia_> aló
[2014-02-14 21:30:08] <Comedia_> -
[2014-02-14 21:30:09] <Comedia_> -
[2014-02-14 21:30:09] <Comedia_> -
[2014-02-14 21:30:52] <Astirmays> so there is still many things to do on en.vd
[2014-02-14 21:31:03] <Astirmays> in 2 weeks ;-)
[2014-02-14 21:31:10] <Linedwell> but now we identified it
[2014-02-14 21:31:19] <Astirmays> missing pages, system messages,
[2014-02-14 21:31:31] <Linedwell> Southparkfan, will you write a summary of things to do ?
[2014-02-14 21:31:35] <Astirmays> Linedwell: not sure we identified them all !
[2014-02-14 21:31:35] <Comedia_> I can help
[2014-02-14 21:31:39] <Southparkfan> I will do.
[2014-02-14 21:31:47] <Linedwell> (to avoid reading the whole log every time)
[2014-02-14 21:31:51] <Linedwell> thanks :)
[2014-02-14 21:32:06] <Astirmays> Comedia_: sure, we need your help ! :-)
[2014-02-14 21:32:17] <Southparkfan> http://en.vikidia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAllMessages&prefix=&filter=all&lang=en&limit=5000
[2014-02-14 21:33:05] <Linedwell> fortunately, all messages shouldn't be changed :D
[2014-02-14 21:33:09] <Southparkfan> Every message for AbuseFilter -management- doesn't need a simpler version. 
[2014-02-14 21:33:11] <Astirmays> we didn't tell about communication, having some blog post, messages about the launching
[2014-02-14 21:33:21] <Southparkfan> Set up a blog.
[2014-02-14 21:33:26] <Southparkfan> http://blog.vikidia.org :P
[2014-02-14 21:33:43] <Astirmays> but I guess that you have enought to do !
[2014-02-14 21:33:46] <Comedia_> I have a blog
[2014-02-14 21:33:49] <Linedwell> yes, technical messages for technical tools (used by qualified users) doesn't need to be simplified
[2014-02-14 21:33:50] <Comedia_> of vikidia
[2014-02-14 21:34:12] <Astirmays> it's not a matter of having a blog,
[2014-02-14 21:34:33] <Astirmays> it's a matter to write good content about our wiki,
[2014-02-14 21:34:49] <Astirmays> and have many readers !
[2014-02-14 21:34:54] <Linedwell> Southparkfan, maybe you should request for the sysop flag too
[2014-02-14 21:34:57] <Comedia_> http://vikidiafr.blogspot.com.es/
[2014-02-14 21:35:04] <Astirmays> that will join us then !
[2014-02-14 21:35:07] <Southparkfan> That is in Spanish
[2014-02-14 21:35:10] <Linedwell> to help on system messages and other stuffs
[2014-02-14 21:35:20] <Comedia_> yes
[2014-02-14 21:35:23] <Southparkfan> And I hate such domainnames
[2014-02-14 21:35:43] <Astirmays> anyway, you may work on the wiki itself
[2014-02-14 21:35:45] <Comedia_> I thing the same. Southparkfan  will be a very good admin :D
[2014-02-14 21:36:04] <Astirmays> I will think or find other people to work on the communication
[2014-02-14 21:36:15] <Southparkfan> anoneditwarning (Talk) 	'''Warning:''' You are not logged in. Your IP address will be recorded in this page's edit history.
[2014-02-14 21:36:22] <Southparkfan> Link to IP-address?
[2014-02-14 21:36:50] <Linedwell> the page doesn't exists yet
[2014-02-14 21:36:55] <Astirmays> so good evening !
[2014-02-14 21:37:00] <Linedwell> good night Astirmays
[2014-02-14 21:37:01] <Southparkfan> Goodbye Astirmays 
[2014-02-14 21:37:20] <Astirmays> thanks Southparkfan and everybody !
[2014-02-14 21:37:24] <Southparkfan> captcha-badlogin (Talk) 	To protect the wiki against automated password cracking, we kindly ask you to solve the simple sum below and enter the answer in the box ([[Special:Captcha/help|more info]]):
[2014-02-14 21:37:24] <Southparkfan> captcha-create (Talk) 	To create the page, please solve the simple sum below and enter the answer in the box ([[Special:Captcha/help|more info]]):
[2014-02-14 21:37:29] <Southparkfan> Please look at that.
[2014-02-14 21:37:36] <Southparkfan> Sum?
[2014-02-14 21:37:59] <Linedwell> hum
[2014-02-14 21:38:13] <Linedwell> I don't know if the captcha is still active
[2014-02-14 21:38:58] <Southparkfan> I'm excepted. 
[2014-02-14 21:39:14] <Linedwell> I think this sentence is "simple"

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